Hey, Informed, what have you got against God? You know, you liberals are so scared that God is leading this country from behind a burning bush. You like to characterize Reps as religious fanatics, when only a small portion of Reps are religious right. But, most people are moral and respect God and religion. THe Dems have demonized religion, they are Orwellian - spewing that opiate of the masses crap.

I think most AMericans appreciate God, religion and having a moral compass. However, they are also rational, sane and reasoning adults. THey have chosen to live with religion and a morality, as opposed to pagan, heathenistic, sexually deviant athestic liberal lives. Yeah, everything is ok, right - sex with the same sex, animals, the dead; drugs - wow, that’s great, no harm dude; freedom of speech - yeah #### everyone and everybody and death to all REps. Ain’t that right.

YOu guys are the biggest hippocrits. YOur main men are murderers, liars and thieves - Ted Kennedy (Chappaquidik), Clinton(I did not have sex with that woman) and Hillary (stock options). Unindicted, unconvicted criminals! Now you see why Reps are religious, we reject scum like these folks. If you are (mis)lead by Ted, Bill, Hill, Jesse, Al Sharpton, Al Gore, JFK, etc., how can your party have any moral compass? How can a society stay together? Religion and law bind citizens together to make society work, but your ####### leaders don’t abide by laws or religious principles. THey are Machivellian - get what you want at any cost, by any means! Those are great ideas to keep a society together, what a great society we would become with those people to emulate. I can’t wait to have my kid aspire to drown Mary Jo Koppeckne(?) and cover it up using his daddy’s illegal bootleg liqour money to buy his way out. (It’s not the profits from booze, but those guys operated like modern day crack dealers - using murder and violence to make their money - that was the evil behind bootlegging). Not worth going on.

Your leaders are fucked, your party is fucked, and you are fucked. Yeah, Bush drank and smoked weed when he was younger, and he openly admitted these digressions. He acknowledged his errors, learned from his mistakes, grew up and began flying straight. But, he didn’t kill anyone, doesn’t lie in office, doesn’t use the masses for personal gain. THat is the Dems way, not ours.

You sure you didn’t smoke some pot before you rambled off on this ridiculous little hate-filled sermon of yours? And you wonder why people call you a religious fanatic? Did you actually read your post?

The saddest people in this world are the ones who take a holier than thou attitude and judge everyone else in bitterness and spite when it is they who really need to be judged and look at themselves in the mirror. Your post shows exactly how much hate and evil you possess, you may need to get some help for that and try to manage your anger and hatred for so many people.
And for your information, religion is not unique to people in either political party. There are plenty of republicans who are on their 4th marriage, abusive to their spouses and to others, filled with hate for anyone not just like them, and haven’t set foot in a house of worship in years. The same for democrats and independents. Your little teory that religion is confined to republicans is narrow minded, erroneous and ignorant.
And to be honest,I have a strange feeling that myself and my lesbian sister and gay first cousin who all attend mass every sunday are probably much more religious than you are, heck how could we not be, none of us would go around calling people vicious names, comparing loving gay relationships to sex with the dead, and using countless profanities on political message boards like this one to try and prove some silly point. We have too much class to act like that. Why don’t you?
God Bless You, may he help you with your hate and anger.

[QUOTE=Honest Discussion]Hey, Informed, what have you got against God? You know, you liberals are so scared that God is leading this country from behind a burning bush. You like to characterize Reps as religious fanatics, when only a small portion of Reps are religious right. But, most people are moral and respect God and religion. THe Dems have demonized religion, they are Orwellian - spewing that opiate of the masses crap.

I think most AMericans appreciate God, religion and having a moral compass. However, they are also rational, sane and reasoning adults. THey have chosen to live with religion and a morality, as opposed to pagan, heathenistic, sexually deviant athestic liberal lives. Yeah, everything is ok, right - sex with the same sex, animals, the dead; drugs - wow, that’s great, no harm dude; freedom of speech - yeah #### everyone and everybody and death to all REps. Ain’t that right.

YOu guys are the biggest hippocrits. YOur main men are murderers, liars and thieves - Ted Kennedy (Chappaquidik), Clinton(I did not have sex with that woman) and Hillary (stock options). Unindicted, unconvicted criminals! Now you see why Reps are religious, we reject scum like these folks. If you are (mis)lead by Ted, Bill, Hill, Jesse, Al Sharpton, Al Gore, JFK, etc., how can your party have any moral compass? How can a society stay together? Religion and law bind citizens together to make society work, but your ####### leaders don’t abide by laws or religious principles. THey are Machivellian - get what you want at any cost, by any means! Those are great ideas to keep a society together, what a great society we would become with those people to emulate. I can’t wait to have my kid aspire to drown Mary Jo Koppeckne(?) and cover it up using his daddy’s illegal bootleg liqour money to buy his way out. (It’s not the profits from booze, but those guys operated like modern day crack dealers - using murder and violence to make their money - that was the evil behind bootlegging). Not worth going on.

Your leaders are fucked, your party is fucked, and you are fucked. Yeah, Bush drank and smoked weed when he was younger, and he openly admitted these digressions. He acknowledged his errors, learned from his mistakes, grew up and began flying straight. But, he didn’t kill anyone, doesn’t lie in office, doesn’t use the masses for personal gain. THat is the Dems way, not ours.

Way to stand up against that loon! But, if you don’t like off topic post Maybe you shouldn’t get involved with them. As members people can talk about what they want, but again good job!

[QUOTE=NOLA democrat]You sure you didn’t smoke some pot before you rambled off on this ridiculous little hate-filled sermon of yours? And you wonder why people call you a religious fanatic? Did you actually read your post?

The saddest people in this world are the ones who take a holier than thou attitude and judge everyone else in bitterness and spite when it is they who really need to be judged and look at themselves in the mirror. Your post shows exactly how much hate and evil you possess, you may need to get some help for that and try to manage your anger and hatred for so many people.
And for your information, religion is not unique to people in either political party. There are plenty of republicans who are on their 4th marriage, abusive to their spouses and to others, filled with hate for anyone not just like them, and haven’t set foot in a house of worship in years. The same for democrats and independents. Your little teory that religion is confined to republicans is narrow minded, erroneous and ignorant.
And to be honest,I have a strange feeling that myself and my lesbian sister and gay first cousin who all attend mass every sunday are probably much more religious than you are, heck how could we not be, none of us would go around calling people vicious names, comparing loving gay relationships to sex with the dead, and using countless profanities on political message boards like this one to try and prove some silly point. We have too much class to act like that. Why don’t you?
God Bless You, may he help you with your hate and anger.

I didn’t see hate in the post. She or he spoke the truth, something many liberals in this country, and I guess worldwide, dont want to hear. If liberals hear anything against anything they choose to do in the name of making themselves feel good, they holler hate and you added anger. Well, I am a little angry about what the USA has become trying to appease every deviant that ever had a creative thought. Sorry NOLA, but repentance is what you and your relations need to have on your minds.

You didn’t see anything in his post that sounded hateful?? Hmm, are you blind or just illiterate? The original poster called people scum, said that everyone who disagrees with him is f-cked, made crazy claims about people and tried to compare gay people to sex with animals and the dead; sounds like the signs of hate, ignorance, and mental imbalance to me.

I am sorry you are angry that the USA has progressed, that blacks, gays and women have more rights now and that our country doesn’t resemble 1960 but thats too bad. I have read your posts and i know you are one of those bible-thumping overly religious types who probably hate catholic progressive city-folk like myself but to say that the original post was not filled with hate and craziness is just plain wrong of you.
So tell me dear, who exaclty do you consider to be the “deviants” that you are so bothered by and what exactly do I and my relations need to repent about? And who the hell are you to tell me or anyone else that they need to go repent, did you become God overnight. Last sunday at mass, they made no mention of that.

[QUOTE=Eiszaphen]I didn’t see hate in the post. She or he spoke the truth, something many liberals in this country, and I guess worldwide, dont want to hear. If liberals hear anything against anything they choose to do in the name of making themselves feel good, they holler hate and you added anger. Well, I am a little angry about what the USA has become trying to appease every deviant that ever had a creative thought. Sorry NOLA, but repentance is what you and your relations need to have on your minds.

[QUOTE=Eiszaphen]I didn’t see hate in the post.

Then you are blind. His hate-filled screed is the blithering of a deranged soul.

I’m the nut who started this post. And nothing I said was with hate. I disagree with reverse discrimination. Not hateful. I believe meritocracy rewards the most capable - it is Darwinism, survival of the fittest. Reverse discrimination is the exact opposite, promotes mediocracy and survival of the less fit.

As for the comments on gays, etc, only for effect, no hate there. And, again, truthful. Dems want to embrace every minority group or socially deviant group. A “deviant”, for you uneducated Dems, is someone who is not in the majority or in the norm. My comment is meant to invoke this thought - where do we draw the line between harmless deviation from social norms? Homosexual relations, once unthinkable, are now commonplace. Beastiality is unthinkable today, but tomorrow? WHo knows if Hillary gets elected. THe DEms only embrace minorities for pragmatic reasons, to gain power. Hell, the Kennedys exploited the poor, inebriated masses to earn their fortune. Are they champions of the poor? Soon enough, like the tobacco companies, here comes John Edwards to sue their ### for some fictious class action offense. (Does Johnny give that money to the poor or keep it for himself? MY guess, for himself!)

WHat I enjoy most is no one refutes the monikers bestowed upon the three wise men of the Dem Party - Ted the Killer, ##### the Liar and Hill the Thief. WHY? Because they can’t! Ted murdered Mary Jo Koppeckne (excuse the spelling), Slick ##### lied repeatedly about his affairs with many women, and Hillary stole with the bogus option contracts. And those are your leaders. Oh, and don’t forget the REv Jesse and Al - who extort money from international corporations who aren’t racially diverse enough in their viewpoint. Where is that money going - Jesse asnd Al, to pay off your mistresses?

THe Dems are the party without moral compass, ethics or rational thought. Lots of emotion, as NOLA Dem constantly exhibits, but no rational thought. WIll stop at nothing and embrace everyone, every murderer, liar, thief, extortionist and felon to attain power. Not for me. NOLA and REP in the 6th, take your socialist trash thought elsewhere, it is dead, and so is your party.

Just because you go to mass means nothing about your soul. Don’t rely on those pagan gods to save you - Ted, Bill and Hill.

Look, NOLA, if you have no reason or logic, get off this board. Add something with rational thought. YOu have spoutted nothing but opinions, which, as we know, are like assholes, everybody has one. And Rep in the 6th, if you are a Republican, please examine your words before you write. Think before you write.

[QUOTE=Honest Discussion]I’m the nut who started this post. And nothing I said was with hate. I disagree with reverse discrimination. Not hateful. I believe meritocracy rewards the most capable - it is Darwinism, survival of the fittest. Reverse discrimination is the exact opposite, promotes mediocracy and survival of the less fit.

As for the comments on gays, etc, only for effect, no hate there. And, again, truthful. Dems want to embrace every minority group or socially deviant group. A “deviant”, for you uneducated Dems, is someone who is not in the majority or in the norm. My comment is meant to invoke this thought - where do we draw the line between harmless deviation from social norms? Homosexual relations, once unthinkable, are now commonplace. Beastiality is unthinkable today, but tomorrow? WHo knows if Hillary gets elected. THe DEms only embrace minorities for pragmatic reasons, to gain power. Hell, the Kennedys exploited the poor, inebriated masses to earn their fortune. Are they champions of the poor? Soon enough, like the tobacco companies, here comes John Edwards to sue their ### for some fictious class action offense. (Does Johnny give that money to the poor or keep it for himself? MY guess, for himself!)

WHat I enjoy most is no one refutes the monikers bestowed upon the three wise men of the Dem Party - Ted the Killer, ##### the Liar and Hill the Thief. WHY? Because they can’t! Ted murdered Mary Jo Koppeckne (excuse the spelling), Slick ##### lied repeatedly about his affairs with many women, and Hillary stole with the bogus option contracts. And those are your leaders. Oh, and don’t forget the REv Jesse and Al - who extort money from international corporations who aren’t racially diverse enough in their viewpoint. Where is that money going - Jesse asnd Al, to pay off your mistresses?

THe Dems are the party without moral compass, ethics or rational thought. Lots of emotion, as NOLA Dem constantly exhibits, but no rational thought. WIll stop at nothing and embrace everyone, every murderer, liar, thief, extortionist and felon to attain power. Not for me. NOLA and REP in the 6th, take your socialist trash thought elsewhere, it is dead, and so is your party.

Hey Honest Discussion, since religion and morality are YOUR standard

for political party superiority how do you rank my DEMOCRATIC

Presidency???....uh-oh!

X Prez Carter

Jimmy, how are you? How’s Rosalynn? and brother Billy?

NO, I don’t judge politicians by the religion. However, I do have a problem with pols without ethics or who blatantly violate the law. I don’t want criminals in power. If Ted kills a woman and escapes punishment, I don’t trust him. If he uses family power to avoid murder charges, can you trust him not to use the power for his own or family’s gain again in the future? Of course not. Murder is the most heinous crime in the book, yet the Dems look to Ted for the moral guidance of the party.

I don’t understand how Dems can allow a murderer, a liar and a thief to be the leaders of your party? Truth, honor, integrity, honesty are obviously not values your party requires of its leadership. I expect, no, I require those traits in politicians I vote for. Pols should have the interest of the constituents foremost in their mind, not their own. Pols might not always be right, we are all humans, we make mistakes, but a good pols intentions are honest, well meaning and clean. I don’t think that is the case with Ted, BIll or Hill, or Jesse, Al Sharpton or Kerry. Dean, I believe, is honest and well meaning. Lieberman too. But the above are not.

Until you require your party’s leadership to be honest, ethical, selfless and clean, I can’t back your party. I once did. I voted for Dems in the past, but you party isn’t the party of Carter anymore. It has no moral compass. It has sacrificed honesty and character for Machievellian effectiveness. Do or say anything to get elected. Embrace anyone or anything that will lead to gaining political power. The ends don’t justify the means in my mind, but they do with the Dem party. Anything goes, and that disgusts me.

Until Kennedy and Hillary Clinton are convicted of any crimes, they are innocent of any and all of the things you mentioned. I guess the legal standard of “innocent until proven guilty” doesn’t mean much does it? The fact that YOU think they are murderers or theives means pretty much means NOTHING. And by the way, does Laura Bush’s killing a person weigh as heavily on your heart? I somehow doubt it. Does Tom Delay’s present charges against him bother you so much, I somehow doubt it. Since you seem so obsessed with Bill Clinton’s alleged lies, does Watergate ring a bell for you??
You really do border on lunacy and religious fanaticism, get help.

[QUOTE=Honest Discussion]Jimmy, how are you? How’s Rosalynn? and brother Billy?

NO, I don’t judge politicians by the religion. However, I do have a problem with pols without ethics or who blatantly violate the law. I don’t want criminals in power. If Ted kills a woman and escapes punishment, I don’t trust him. If he uses family power to avoid murder charges, can you trust him not to use the power for his own or family’s gain again in the future? Of course not. Murder is the most heinous crime in the book, yet the Dems look to Ted for the moral guidance of the party.

I don’t understand how Dems can allow a murderer, a liar and a thief to be the leaders of your party? Truth, honor, integrity, honesty are obviously not values your party requires of its leadership. I expect, no, I require those traits in politicians I vote for. Pols should have the interest of the constituents foremost in their mind, not their own. Pols might not always be right, we are all humans, we make mistakes, but a good pols intentions are honest, well meaning and clean. I don’t think that is the case with Ted, BIll or Hill, or Jesse, Al Sharpton or Kerry. Dean, I believe, is honest and well meaning. Lieberman too. But the above are not.

Until you require your party’s leadership to be honest, ethical, selfless and clean, I can’t back your party. I once did. I voted for Dems in the past, but you party isn’t the party of Carter anymore. It has no moral compass. It has sacrificed honesty and character for Machievellian effectiveness. Do or say anything to get elected. Embrace anyone or anything that will lead to gaining political power. The ends don’t justify the means in my mind, but they do with the Dem party. Anything goes, and that disgusts me.

Ted Kennedy was drunk when he ran off the road and drowned that poor girl, which today would be vehicular manslaughter, I believe. He would be in jail if he committed that crime today. He avoided telling the police for a day, probably so he could sober up.

Bill was censured, which is pretty much the equivalent of a conviction. If he wasn’t a sitting President, he might not have gone to jail, but he would have been convicted of a felony.

And I believe if Hillary had committed the same shady options deal today, she would have had a cell right next to Martha Stewart’s.

All three avoided punishment and prosecution because of their political power. They misused their political station and avoided prosecution when you or I would be in Angola for doing the same thing. That is my problem with them. They are not above the law. Richard Nixon should not have been above the law either. And he resigned to avoid impeachment. Not the best moment for the Rep party, I admit that. Now you should admit Ted, Bill and Hill are also criminals, just like Nixon. Nixon was never convicted and was pardoned for any crimes he might have committed. In the same way, Ted, Bill and Hill have been treated as if they are above the law.

I don’t know of Laura Bush’s “crime”, but she isn’t a politician, so the statement is irrelevant. And if Delay is guilty of a crime, he should be punished like any other citizen in the US. NO one is above the law, Rep or Dem. We are created equal, remember that?

I could honestly care less about any of these people and whether they committed crimes, either convicted of such or concocted in your mind, my point is that you’re silly idea that democratic politicians are always committing crimes and doing underhanded stuff and the repub politicians are choir boys is laughable and ridiculously partisan. A person isn’t a criminal until convicted, its as simple as that and all your speculation about people “using their power to avert prosecution” is worth pretty much NOTHING.
Politicians are crooked on both sides of the aisle. If you want to cling to your “my side is holier than thou attitude”, thats you. But its unrealistic and erroneous.
What this tirade of yours has to do with God being good is beyond me but I will pray for a recovery for your lunacy.

[QUOTE=Honest Discussion]Ted Kennedy was drunk when he ran off the road and drowned that poor girl, which today would be vehicular manslaughter, I believe. He would be in jail if he committed that crime today. He avoided telling the police for a day, probably so he could sober up.

Bill was censured, which is pretty much the equivalent of a conviction. If he wasn’t a sitting President, he might not have gone to jail, but he would have been convicted of a felony.

And I believe if Hillary had committed the same shady options deal today, she would have had a cell right next to Martha Stewart’s.

All three avoided punishment and prosecution because of their political power. They misused their political station and avoided prosecution when you or I would be in Angola for doing the same thing. That is my problem with them. They are not above the law. Richard Nixon should not have been above the law either. And he resigned to avoid impeachment. Not the best moment for the Rep party, I admit that. Now you should admit Ted, Bill and Hill are also criminals, just like Nixon. Nixon was never convicted and was pardoned for any crimes he might have committed. In the same way, Ted, Bill and Hill have been treated as if they are above the law.

I don’t know of Laura Bush’s “crime”, but she isn’t a politician, so the statement is irrelevant. And if Delay is guilty of a crime, he should be punished like any other citizen in the US. NO one is above the law, Rep or Dem. We are created equal, remember that?

Let me rephrase that - SOME politicians are crooked on both sides of the aisle, many are not.
Sorry if I made a sweeping generalization, hate when people make those.

[QUOTE=NOLA democrat]I could honestly care less about any of these people and whether they committed crimes, either convicted of such or concocted in your mind, my point is that you’re silly idea that democratic politicians are always committing crimes and doing underhanded stuff and the repub politicians are choir boys is laughable and ridiculously partisan. A person isn’t a criminal until convicted, its as simple as that and all your speculation about people “using their power to avert prosecution” is worth pretty much NOTHING.
Politicians are crooked on both sides of the aisle. If you want to cling to your “my side is holier than thou attitude”, thats you. But its unrealistic and erroneous.
What this tirade of yours has to do with God being good is beyond me but I will pray for a recovery for your lunacy.

[QUOTE=NOLA democrat]You didn’t see anything in his post that sounded hateful?? Hmm, are you blind or just illiterate? The original poster called people scum, said that everyone who disagrees with him is f-cked, made crazy claims about people and tried to compare gay people to sex with animals and the dead; sounds like the signs of hate, ignorance, and mental imbalance to me.

I am sorry you are angry that the USA has progressed, that blacks, gays and women have more rights now and that our country doesn’t resemble 1960 but thats too bad. I have read your posts and i know you are one of those bible-thumping overly religious types who probably hate catholic progressive city-folk like myself but to say that the original post was not filled with hate and craziness is just plain wrong of you.
So tell me dear, who exaclty do you consider to be the “deviants” that you are so bothered by and what exactly do I and my relations need to repent about? And who the hell are you to tell me or anyone else that they need to go repent, did you become God overnight. Last sunday at mass, they made no mention of that.

Catholic in name only, I’m afraid. You know the answers to your questions. I’m not God and I didn’t make the rules, sir.

Ahh, your response was pretty much what I thought it would be.

So if I am a “catholic in name only” would that mean I am a “chino”
(like Rhino’s or dino’s?)
If someone is a methodist in name only, are they considered “amino”
(like amino acid?)

[QUOTE=Eiszaphen]Catholic in name only, I’m afraid. You know the answers to your questions. I’m not God and I didn’t make the rules, sir.