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Posted: 06 September 2010 12:35 PM   [ Ignore ]
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1) Have you found an example yet of where the government, specifically the president and a governor, intervened in private negotiations to prevent defendants from settling claims? Have you witnessed a situation where the defendant had no say in how settlements would be structured?

2) If not for the unique situation where Feinberg is actually spending BP’s money with little or no say by BP would you advise BP to settle any claim without some kind of impunity from future claims?

Surely by now you see the abuse the government is subjecting BP too. Where will it end?

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Posted: 08 September 2010 08:09 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 1 ]
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I. B. Freeman - 06 September 2010 12:35 PM

1) Have you found an example yet of where the government, specifically the president and a governor, intervened in private negotiations to prevent defendants from settling claims? Have you witnessed a situation where the defendant had no say in how settlements would be structured?

2) If not for the unique situation where Feinberg is actually spending BP’s money with little or no say by BP would you advise BP to settle any claim without some kind of impunity from future claims?

Surely by now you see the abuse the government is subjecting BP too. Where will it end?

Obviously Troll cannot find precedence for this kind of abuse and feels helpless to defend it. All he really has to say is “I didn’t understand it this way and when I said this happens every day I was speaking from a traditional litigation historical standpoint. The use of governmental power to force one party into claimant payments without liability relief is unprecedented that I can find.”

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Posted: 08 September 2010 09:10 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 2 ]
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IB are you a lawyer?

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Posted: 08 September 2010 09:45 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 3 ]
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Trollfessor - 08 September 2010 09:10 AM

IB are you a lawyer?

No. Thank God I had enough sense not to pursue that profession.

I have hired plenty of lawyers however and have been involved in commercial litigation as a plaintiff out of my own pocket and have been represented on a number of occasions as a defendant in auto liability and worker’s comp issues by insurance company attorney.

I have, BTW, discussed this very issue with a attorney with a very long commercial litigation resume and he tells me that he has never seen the government intervene in settlements in this manner AND he cannot imagine forcing a defendant to make payments without granting that defendant some liability relief. This is exactly what Jindal is wanting Feinberg to do.

Now you are correct that frequently in private settlements things like future health cost are left as liabilities to the defendant. The defendant makes these settlements knowing full well the consequences.

This case with BP is not typical at all. It is not a point of settlement negotiation whether or not BP pays claims leaving them open. This is not about some future loses that are unknown. This is about leaving the claims open for future damages even though the claimant is paid an amount he agrees too. Jindal wants BP to have no say. He wants Feinberg to pay claims with BP money and leave the claims open. What is right about that???? At least on this $20 billion pot Obama forced BP into they have no say as to how it gets to claimants and how much relief they get as a result.

The government has all the weapons in this matter. There is no way BP can go to court---as you suggested--and get relief in the form of a judgement against the state since the state ignores the judgements anyways (as you acknowledged) until the leges can be convinced to fund the payment of the judgement or prevent the actions of the executive branch. BP is being abused. Jindal is one of the leaders of the abuse. (It will not surprise me at all that Jindal is looking for some kind of settlement he can take into the general fund to relieve the shortfall he created this year in next year’s budget. Something like damages to state oyster reefs or something.)

Of course you have not found an example of as you say an “everyday” event like this.

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Posted: 08 September 2010 09:53 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 4 ]
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Among your errors is this --

I. B. Freeman - 08 September 2010 09:45 AM

There is no way BP can go to court---as you suggested--and get relief in the form of a judgement against the state since the state ignores the judgements anyways (as you acknowledged)

Please be advised there is a federal court system, in addition to a state court system.  And I never said the state ignores judgments—but good attempt at taking an inch and trying to turn it into a mile.

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Posted: 08 September 2010 10:07 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 5 ]
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Trollfessor - 08 September 2010 09:53 AM

Among your errors is this --

I. B. Freeman - 08 September 2010 09:45 AM
There is no way BP can go to court---as you suggested--and get relief in the form of a judgement against the state since the state ignores the judgements anyways (as you acknowledged)

Please be advised there is a federal court system, in addition to a state court system.  And I never said the state ignores judgments—but good attempt at taking an inch and trying to turn it into a mile.

They are in fact unpaid until the leges act on them are they not? and did you not acknowledge that?

Why are you avoiding the central issue here Troll? Do you so believe in the fairyland text book world of tort law that you will not acknowledge that Jindal and Obama are abusing the hell of the defendant here?

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Posted: 08 September 2010 11:08 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 6 ]
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The Oil Pollution Act puts the President into the claims process.  http://stephensstephens.com/2010/05/file-bp-oil-pollution-act-claims-first/
This law firm’s blog says the proper procedure is to file a claim first, then if not satisfied, there is still a court remedy.  So, a settlement that allows for future payment for future unpredictable damage, such as destruction of plants or small sea creatures that are fed upon by fish used in commerce, resulting in longterm reduction in the commercially available fish, makes perfect sense and avoids later court time.

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Posted: 08 September 2010 02:22 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 7 ]
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Thats My Name Too - 08 September 2010 11:08 AM

The Oil Pollution Act puts the President into the claims process.  http://stephensstephens.com/2010/05/file-bp-oil-pollution-act-claims-first/
This law firm’s blog says the proper procedure is to file a claim first, then if not satisfied, there is still a court remedy.  So, a settlement that allows for future payment for future unpredictable damage, such as destruction of plants or small sea creatures that are fed upon by fish used in commerce, resulting in longterm reduction in the commercially available fish, makes perfect sense and avoids later court time.

Neither Stephens and Stephens nor Kennerly’s opinion in that link mention that BP is prevented from closing claims for specific acts as Jindal wishes them to be. For example, if a fisherman lost all his 2010 income as result of the spill nothing now prevents BP (in this case their government appointed surrogate Feinberg) from settling with the fisherman and agreeing to a clause that would prevent the fisherman from entering in a lawsuit relating to 2010 income losses. Jindal is saying BP should now pay for the guy’s 2010 losses and pay again latter if a new suit decides BP should have paid more for the same income latter.

Basically Jindal is trying to preserve the claimant for some odd reason. Perhaps he recognizes as does Stephens that present law reduces the number of claimants that will be available for class action suites.

Stephens says:

The government can influence the types of claims BP pays by paying those legitimate claims that BP fails to pay out of the Fund and seeking recovery from BP (plus attorney’s fees) in an action by the Attorney General.

There are risks to following the claims process. BP will be able to simply pay the most compelling claims leaving the less compelling claims for pursuit in the courts. This may undercut the ability of plaintiffs to obtain a significant punitive damage award against BP.

The ability to present interim claims, that represent less than the full claim, allows the parties to resolve the most significant claims and leave the more complex to the courts. This is not the way claims are typically managed in an individual action or a class action. Usually a settlement resolves all of the liability associated with a matter and leads to the exchange of releases precluding further court action.

The claims process envisioned under the OPA appears to manage the more difficult problems in the individual or class action matter. It attempts to provide claimants with an opportunity to settle a portion of the claim without resolving the entire claim. It also provides a claimant with at least two avenues to seek payment of each piece of its claim, first against the designated responsible party and then against the Fund. This can all occur outside the formal litigation process. While the claimant is awaiting resolution of its claim, it can obtain a loan from the Fund.

By encouraging interim claims and settlements, influenced if not monitored by the government and providing claimants with low interest loans, the OPA also attempts to manage a third weakness in the individual and class action lawsuit process which is attorney’s fees.

Jindal and Caldwell it seems to me seeks to alter the provisions of the OPA in a manner that the claimants never disappear. The OPA as these guys see it will allow the settlement of a lot of claims very quickly. Jindal and Caldwell are trying to stop that. They want all the claims available to them in any class action they wish to pursue sponsored by the state.

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Posted: 09 September 2010 07:40 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 8 ]
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I would be very interested to know where I am wrong here.

What exactly is right about what team Jindal/Caldwell wants to do?

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Posted: 09 September 2010 07:41 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 9 ]
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IB, troll is usually silent if you press him for details.. We’re not even sure he is a real lawyer.

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Posted: 09 September 2010 01:10 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 10 ]
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fred - 09 September 2010 07:41 AM

IB, troll is usually silent if you press him for details.. We’re not even sure he is a real lawyer.

Yep.

The Washington Post weighs in today.

What is happening is Fienburg is paying interm claims now. Starting 11/23/2010 he will begin making final settlement offers. He explains here:

Right now, the BP compensation fund is paying businesses and individuals for their short-term losses, and those accepting such interim checks do not have to sign away their right to sue. But starting sometime after Nov. 23, and continuing for three years, the fund will compensate victims for long-term losses.

Attorney Kenneth Feinberg, who is running the fund under a deal between BP and the Obama administration, said in a recent interview that those who file a long-term claim will get a preview of their potential payout before they have to decide whether to accept it. If they don’t like it, they can sue.

“I think that my definition of eligibility will actually prove to be broader than if you litigate,” Feinberg said. “But I might be wrong, and if parties want to litigate, they can litigate.”

Feinberg has yet to set a deadline for applying for long-term compensation. Deadlines for filing lawsuits vary depending on the type of case and jurisdiction, but in general people would have between one and six years to file a negligence action against BP and other companies involved in the disaster.

Now what the Jindal/Caldwell/trial lawyer team is attempting to do is to stop Feinburg from making final settlements as he plans to start offering.

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Posted: 09 September 2010 01:39 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 11 ]
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How will Caldwell be able to ingratiate all of his trial lawyer buddies if Feinberg does final settlements?

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roux - 09 September 2010 01:39 PM

How will Caldwell be able to ingratiate all of his trial lawyer buddies if Feinberg does final settlements?

The brains behind the Jindal/Caldwell/trial lawyer strategy is Baron & Budd an asbestos trial lawyer firm out of Dallas. They are also quite well known as democrat lobbyist.

I think even the biggest Jindalicans on here are disturbed by this. .Ray hasn’t even cursed me out since I first mentioned this planned money grab.

IMHO, look for Jindal to try and get some money into the general fund from BP to fill the budget shortfall he created.

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Posted: 12 September 2010 01:14 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 13 ]
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It is now crystal clear Jindal/Caldwell and their hired democrat trial lawyers want to interfere with private settlement efforts between Feinberg and claimants.

This should be appalling to conservatives. I would think even Jindalicans would have to be concerned about this development from the boy wonder Jindal.

He is such a phony.

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Posted: 06 January 2012 07:08 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 14 ]
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Let’s talk about the issues!!

This thread is about the abuse of a private corporation by government in what appears to be action without due process.

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