Murder and Abortion: A question
Posted: 06 September 2010 07:12 AM   [ Ignore ]
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I have come to know each of you a bit better since becoming a member of this board but I have not opted to post very much...until now.

I find it hard to accept the notion from some of you that abortion is not murder and the other extreme position says it is. I will likely take a lot of heat over this question but here goes: If abortion isn’t murder, why is it that if a pregnant woman is murdered, the perpurtrator is charged with double homocide?  Isn’t that akin to hading out speeding tickets at the Indianapolis 500?

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Posted: 07 September 2010 12:49 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 1 ]
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Louie the Vizsla - 06 September 2010 07:12 AM

I have come to know each of you a bit better since becoming a member of this board but I have not opted to post very much...until now.

I find it hard to accept the notion from some of you that abortion is not murder and the other extreme position says it is. I will likely take a lot of heat over this question but here goes: If abortion isn’t murder, why is it that if a pregnant woman is murdered, the perpurtrator is charged with double homocide?  Isn’t that akin to hading out speeding tickets at the Indianapolis 500?

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Louie

Two reasons

A) Many times laws do not make sense. Why is it that my salary is taxed at a different rate than someones compensation from a dividend? Why is it illegal for a teenager to have a naked picture of the teenager he just legally had sex with? There are many laws that do not make sense.

B) It is likely part of the incrementalism approach used by some in the pro-life movement who seek to make changes bit by bit instead of making sweeping broad changes.

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Posted: 07 September 2010 12:52 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 2 ]
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Dividends have already been taxed. They are what’s left over after taxes have been paid.

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Posted: 07 September 2010 12:59 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 3 ]
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As I said, dividend taxes and death taxes are double taxation.

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Posted: 07 September 2010 02:27 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 4 ]
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roux - 07 September 2010 12:52 PM

Dividends have already been taxed. They are what’s left over after taxes have been paid.

So you have no problem with a CEO or other corporate execs opting to take lower salaries and instead getting compensated via dividends so they can avoid paying taxes?

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Posted: 07 September 2010 02:28 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 5 ]
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fred - 07 September 2010 12:59 PM

As I said, dividend taxes and death taxes are double taxation.

And then I buy money with what I have been paid and pay a sales tax with it, so that dollar has been taxed again, and then what remains of that dollar goes to pay another person’s salary and so it is taxed again and then that person buys something and pays tax and it is taxed again.

Perhaps we should put a little mark on every dollar so we know that it has been taxed already, that way we can be sure that no dollar is taxed twice.

Sheesh.

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Posted: 07 September 2010 02:37 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 6 ]
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Daniel Z. - 07 September 2010 02:28 PM

fred - 07 September 2010 12:59 PM
As I said, dividend taxes and death taxes are double taxation.

And then I buy money with what I have been paid and pay a sales tax with it, so that dollar has been taxed again, and then what remains of that dollar goes to pay another person’s salary and so it is taxed again and then that person buys something and pays tax and it is taxed again.

Perhaps we should put a little mark on every dollar so we know that it has been taxed already, that way we can be sure that no dollar is taxed twice.

Sheesh.

Send me all your dollars that have been taxed ten times.  They are worth nothing anymore, but for each one I will send you back ten cents out of the goodness of my heart.

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Posted: 07 September 2010 02:53 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 7 ]
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Daniel Z. - 07 September 2010 02:27 PM

roux - 07 September 2010 12:52 PM
Dividends have already been taxed. They are what’s left over after taxes have been paid.

So you have no problem with a CEO or other corporate execs opting to take lower salaries and instead getting compensated via dividends so they can avoid paying taxes?

Nope.

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Posted: 07 September 2010 02:54 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 8 ]
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Since you boys have no problem with all these taxes, feel free to send the IRS a little extra with your next payment.

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Posted: 07 September 2010 04:02 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 9 ]
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roux - 07 September 2010 02:53 PM

Daniel Z. - 07 September 2010 02:27 PM
roux - 07 September 2010 12:52 PM
Dividends have already been taxed. They are what’s left over after taxes have been paid.

So you have no problem with a CEO or other corporate execs opting to take lower salaries and instead getting compensated via dividends so they can avoid paying taxes?

Nope.

See, this is why we need a national sales tax. Then there is no getting around the taxes unless you actually violate the law.

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Posted: 07 September 2010 04:12 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 10 ]
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National sales tax would be great.. But that’s ALL the taxes one would pay.  The more you spend, the more taxes you pay.. And everyone would pay some taxes.

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Posted: 07 September 2010 04:15 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 11 ]
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dirty dan - 07 September 2010 04:13 PM

Wait on that one. That would take away the power to reward and punish.

Yes, you’re right.. It would de-politisize taxes.. The slimey politicians we have would never go for it.

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Posted: 07 September 2010 06:28 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 12 ]
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tax cuts for the rich is political. tax on spending not on income is political.

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Posted: 08 September 2010 08:56 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 13 ]
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fred - 07 September 2010 04:12 PM

National sales tax would be great.. But that’s ALL the taxes one would pay.  The more you spend, the more taxes you pay.. And everyone would pay some taxes.

I am all for that Fred.

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Posted: 08 September 2010 09:04 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 14 ]
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Daniel Z. - 08 September 2010 08:56 AM

fred - 07 September 2010 04:12 PM
National sales tax would be great.. But that’s ALL the taxes one would pay.  The more you spend, the more taxes you pay.. And everyone would pay some taxes.

I am all for that Fred.

But it’ll never happen.. It depolitisizes taxes, and takes away the ability of elected officials to reward people, in regards to tax legislation.

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Posted: 08 September 2010 11:43 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 15 ]
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fred - 08 September 2010 09:04 AM

Daniel Z. - 08 September 2010 08:56 AM
fred - 07 September 2010 04:12 PM
National sales tax would be great.. But that’s ALL the taxes one would pay.  The more you spend, the more taxes you pay.. And everyone would pay some taxes.

I am all for that Fred.

But it’ll never happen.. It depolitisizes taxes, and takes away the ability of elected officials to reward people, in regards to tax legislation.

Maybe we need to just elect more people who are altruistic.

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