It is rumored that there is a provision in Miles’ contract that states the contract is null and void if NCAA recruiting violations occur under his watch.  It was also rumored last week that there was such a violation and that it could be used to get rid of Miles.  Who knows if the violation provision exist but the Advocate confirmed today the violations could be a reality.  Should Miles stay or should he go?

Come on LSU fans.  Les Miles asks you, “Should I stay or should I Go?”.

The guy is one of the best coaches in college football.
He has the highest winning percentage of any coach in LSU football history.
Only Charlie McClenden and Bernie Moore have won more games than him.
He’s won a national championship.

To even think about getting rid of Les Miles is foolish.

Figured it was only a matter of time before people would start calling for his head.  Seems to me if he violated rules then bottom line he is a cheater.

From what I’ve been able to find out Miles will stay. The violation is from the receivers coach and he’s been warned before. He was told earlier this year his contract would not be renewed. They should have let him go earlier.

FormerLa - 02 December 2009 09:16 AM

Figured it was only a matter of time before people would start calling for his head.  Seems to me if he violated rules then bottom line he is a cheater.

I don’t think Les Miles is a cheater.  He may be unpopular at the moment but from all reports he is a very good man.

Trollfessor - 01 December 2009 01:37 PM

The guy is one of the best coaches in college football.
He has the highest winning percentage of any coach in LSU football history.
Only Charlie McClenden and Bernie Moore have won more games than him.
He’s won a national championship.

To even think about getting rid of Les Miles is foolish.

Agreed.  LSU fans should be careful what they ask for.  They want to fire the head coach that has put more hardware in the football trophy case than any other LSU football coach.

Fire Miles, who has produced BCS wins, and you might end up with another Curly Holman and a string of 4-8 seasons.

Let’s get real people.

Nick Saban was the architect of LSU’s winning program.  As much as I hate to admit it, he’s a winner and he knows how to teach players to win.

Les Miles rode to a national championship on Nick’s coat tails.  Nick built the system and recruited the people to execute it.  Les happened to be lucky enough to be the recipient of the winning formula.  Unfortunately, it had an expiration date.

Now, we are seeing the Les Miles system.  Are we happy?

Nick Saban is going to do the same thing at Alabama.  He WILL win a national championship because he’s a winner.  And even though the practically perfect Tim Tebow will put up a valiant fight with his Florida Gators behind him- they won’t beat Nick Saban.

On a personal level, I think Les Miles is probably the greatest guy in the world.  On the football field, I don’t know.

conservative chick - 03 December 2009 11:33 AM

Let’s get real people.

Nick Saban was the architect of LSU winning program. As much as I hate to admit it, he’s a winner and he knows how to teach players to win.

Les Miles rode to a national championship on Nick’s coat tails. Nick built the system and recruited the people to execute it. Les happened to be lucky enough to be the recipient of the winning formula. Unfortunately, it had an expiration date.


Now, we are seeing the Les Miles system. Are we happy?

Nick Saban is going to do the same thing at Alabama. He WILL win a national championship because he’s a winner. And even though the practically perfect Tim Tebow will put up a valiant fight with his Florida Gators behind him- they won’t beat Nick Saban.

On a personal level, I think Les Miles is probably the greatest guy in the world. On the football field, I don’t know.

CC, you took the words right out of my mouth. Where ya at Troll and RC? Les Miles is not a GREAT coach but AVERAGE at best. Great coaches over achieve with average talent and average coaches under achieve with great talent. My point is LSU has way to much talent to be ranked close to the bottom of every offensive statistical category in the SEC. I do believe that Miles is an exceptional man but we live a world of WHAT HAVE YOU DONE FOR ME LATELY. I’m an exceptional man also and my boss pays me for results not because I don’t beat my wife. No one can deny that what took place at the end of the Ole Miss game was an embarrassment. Not only the poor game management but Miles’ post game interview. He was speechless. I will give Miles credit for a much improved defense. Hmmm, how did he do that? He hired a good coordinator and let him run the show. He has a good coordinator on the other side of the ball but won’t let him run his show IMO. Say what you want about Nicki boy but I would give my right one to have him back.

“Unfortunately it had an expiration date.” Quote of the year CC!

Gee thanks, Curve.

You are welcome to borrow the quote anytime, just be sure to give me credit. (wink)

Curve Ball - 03 December 2009 12:39 PM

conservative chick - 03 December 2009 11:33 AM

Let’s get real people.

Nick Saban was the architect of LSU winning program. As much as I hate to admit it, he’s a winner and he knows how to teach players to win.

Les Miles rode to a national championship on Nick’s coat tails. Nick built the system and recruited the people to execute it. Les happened to be lucky enough to be the recipient of the winning formula. Unfortunately, it had an expiration date.


Now, we are seeing the Les Miles system. Are we happy?

Nick Saban is going to do the same thing at Alabama. He WILL win a national championship because he’s a winner. And even though the practically perfect Tim Tebow will put up a valiant fight with his Florida Gators behind him- they won’t beat Nick Saban.

On a personal level, I think Les Miles is probably the greatest guy in the world. On the football field, I don’t know.

CC, you took the words right out of my mouth. Where ya at Troll and RC? Les Miles is not a GREAT coach but AVERAGE at best. Great coaches over achieve with average talent and average coaches under achieve with great talent. My point is LSU has way to much talent to be ranked close to the bottom of every offensive statistical category in the SEC. I do believe that Miles is an exceptional man but we live a world of WHAT HAVE YOU DONE FOR ME LATELY. I’m an exceptional man also and my boss pays me for results not because I don’t beat my wife. No one can deny that what took place at the end of the Ole Miss game was an embarrassment. Not only the poor game management but Miles’ post game interview. He was speechless. I will give Miles credit for a much improved defense. Hmmm, how did he do that? He hired a good coordinator and let him run the show. He has a good coordinator on the other side of the ball but won’t let him run his show IMO. Say what you want about Nicki boy but I would give my right one to have him back.

“Unfortunately it had an expiration date.” Quote of the year CC!

Fine, go ahead and fire the coach that won your team a National Championship 2 seasons ago.  I’m a former UL-Lafayette athlete, so LSU’s performance on Saturdays is of indifference to me.  I’m able to just sit back and enjoy good SEC match-ups without yelling and weeping into a purple and gold jersey.

But go ahead and answer this:

1.  What other coach could finish better than 9-3 with those SEC opponents and one of the worse offensive lines LSU has had in probably a decade, as well as a first year starter sophomore QB?

2.  If Miles takes you to the SEC Championship game next year, but you lose, will you still call for his head?

3.  If the answer to #2 above is YES, then who do you expect to replace him, especially if that just shows that with a BCS Championship, another Sugar Bowl win, and 3 SEC Championship appearances, fans still want the head coach fired because he’s not Nick Saban and he lost to Tennessee his 1st season and Ole Miss in 2009?

Why does LSU have “one of the worse offensive lines LSU has had in probably a decade”?
Why don’t our quarterbacks seem to improve?
Why would you even suspect a Miles coached LSU will play in a SEC Championship game as long as Saban is still coaching at Alabama?

1.  LSU has one of the worst offensive LSU lines in almost a decade because LSU boosters, and coaching staff, have become infatuated with LSU getting the ESPN.com or Recruits Top 5 recruiting class each year.  Problem is 5 Star skilled position athletes typically get more points in the team rating system than Top 5 OLmen.  A few of the most recent 4 Star OL recruits transferred to other schools.  I don’t care how good your QBs, RBs and WRs are.  If you can’t block for them, you’re not going to win very many games in the SEC unless your defense is unbreakable.

2.  JaMarcus Russell didn’t improve under Miles?  Matt Flynn?  Remember, Jarrett Lee was not supposed to be starting last year, and Jefferson not this year.  Ryan Perrilloux was supposed to be under center...that great QB LSU fans loved after the ‘07 season.  So the last two years you’ve had completely inexperienced QBs.

3.  Well...he did beat an Urban Myer coached Florida team twice in ‘07 on the way to a NC, and considering how close LSU played Bama with problems at QB and OL, why not?

Besides, LSU fans need to get their stories straight.  Did the SEC refs cost LSU the games against Florida and Alabama, or was it Les Miles?  Can’t have it both ways.  95% of the people who still harp on the refs costing LSU those 2 games are the same fans saying LSU can’t beat the top SEC schools because of the head coach.  So which is it?

RC, no offense, but as a ULL supporter you’re still eating red beans and rice.

The purple and gold have tasted filet mignon and now red beans and rice just isn’t good enough.

conservative chick - 03 December 2009 08:59 PM

RC, no offense, but as a ULL supporter you’re still eating red beans and rice.

The purple and gold have tasted filet mignon and now red beans and rice just isn’t good enough.

No offense CC, but while I am a ULL supporter, I don’t henge my weekend moods on the Saturday performance of 18-22 year olds.  I’ve experienced my own successes and failures in college athletics.  No need to live those feelings through someone else’s kid.

Now, again for LSU fans, did the refs cost the Tigers the games against Florida and Alabama, or was it Les Miles?  If it was the refs, like I was told for weeks after those games, then that means LSU should have won if the calls were “fair”, and therefore, Miles has you ranked 1 or 2 in the country getting ready to play a re-match against Florida for the SEC Championship and a National Championship bid.

But if it was Miles who lost those games, then stop blaming the refs.

And again, two completely inexperienced QBs started the last 2 years, with certainly a bad OL this year.  If you ask me, considering those two factors, LSU played very good games to hang with Florida and Bama the way they did this season.

MY MY MY such unrest among the troops.  First Piyush and now the Bengals.

1. Coach is responsible for recruiting.

2. J Russell was a Saban recruit and started under Saban.
How many games did Miles allow Lee to lose for the Tigers last year before he started Jefferson? This year he repeatedly tried to have Jefferson run the option even though Jefferson proved over and over that he couldn’t run the angle of the play correctly. Why would a good coach do that? Now we have Russell Shepard. Our genius coach burned Shepard’s redshirt his freshman year and has yet to let the No. 2-ranked quarterback in the 2009 recruiting class (according to Scout.com) throw the football. Now, Miles did do Shepard the disservice of handing the ball to Shepard every time he was on the field. Consequently, opposing teams quickly realized that when Shepard was on the field he was going to handle the ball. Real smart coaching job to allow opposing teams defenses to tee off on our future QB!

3. I don’t think the refs have cost LSU any games. The SEC refs have sucked all over the southeast this year, a good team makes their own breaks. As I recall we probably beat Georgia (7-4, 4-4) this year only because of pizz-poor refs.

You’re misunderstanding is that LSU (and the fans) pays enough money to expect this team to compete with the likes of Alabama, Florida, USC… every year. LSU doesn’t have the #114 highest paid coach like ULL, or even the 71st highest paid coach like Boise State. With Weis gone, I believe Miles is now tied with Bob Stoops as the 4th highest paid college coach. LSU shouldn’t be losing to teams like Ole Miss because the coach doesn’t understand how to best utilize his abundant talent or manage a game clock.

Alright, last rebuttal because I’ve already spent more time than usual talking about LSU football.

1.  Yes, coaching is reponsible for recruiting, but what do you think the big money boosters, especially those who didn’t like Miles from the start, would say about him if LSU was getting #15 recruiting class by ESPN or RIVALS because he spent time recruiting more needed linemen?  Many would then complain that he can’t recruit work a ____.  FWIW, I don’t put much stock in recruiting rankings.  Too many factors in the transfer from high school to NCAA DIV I sports.

2.  Russell was a Saban recruit who wasn’t close to first round draft status until his ‘06 season under Miles.  Not saying it was strictly Miles’s coaching, but he played great that season, and not done so well since then.  As for why Miles kept playing Lee last season, probably very simple.  Jordan Jefferson was not ready and/or did not have a grasp of the playbook anywhere close to Lee’s understanding of it.  Lee’s problem was being 1-2 seconds too late on those 8+ yd. out routes, which means DB gets position for a pick 6 down the sidelines.  Why isn’t Russell Shepperd playing QB this year, probably same reason Jefferson didn’t play last year.  He does not understand the playbook the way an SEC QB needs to, but his athletic talent is was too good to sit him this season.

In my asinine opinion, I don’t think Shepperd will make his collegiate living as a QB and would not be surprised to see him returning punts and kickoffs after Holliday is gone.

3.  Tied with Stoops for highest paid coach?  Miles has more NCs and BCS wins in the last 4 years than Stoops.  Have you seen the season OU is having?  I think they have the same record as LSU, and they don’t play in the SEC.  And you can’t use the excuse that Bradford got hurt, because Jefferson doesn’t really have any more experience than the guy who took over for Bradford.

You expect Miles and LSU to compete with Bama and Florida every year.  Is beating a Tebow & Urban Myer led FU team twice in ‘07 and playing them, as the #1 team in the country, within 10 pts. this year not competing?  Is beating Bama in ‘07, losing in OT in ‘08 and losing by 9 to them as the #2 team in the country not competing?

By the way, Urban Myer lost to Ole Miss last year.

But like I said, I’ve spent more than enough time on this topic.  Go ahead and fire him, even if he take ya’ll to the SEC Championship game next year but loses, or goes 10-1 with the only loss to likely a Top 3 ranked Bama team.  Maybe you’ll replace him with a REAL bust of a hire, and we might have a better chance of crossing the goal line next time we play in Tiger Stadium.